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Poker Players Alliance Forums: Recent Posts http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Poker Players Alliance Forums: Recent Posts en Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:47:52 +0000 kidkvno1 on "pokertime is a rigged sight" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/342#post-1074 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:25:07 +0000 kidkvno1 1074@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ POST HANDS OR SHUT UP and try looking at what they have to withdraw you have to make so much in rake to even make a withdraw.... This is what happens when you don't read!!! kidkvno1 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1073 Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:21:29 +0000 kidkvno1 1073@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Will PPA just ban mikern12 seeing how he does not even seam to play poker or have the skill needed to play at all, and all of what i have been seeing are donkey moves by mikern12..... mikern12 Get a life stop wasting are time and pick up some poker books or SHUT UP T9 had you beat from the start moron ben100647 on "Poker Skill Court Case" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/326#post-1072 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:49:45 +0000 ben100647 1072@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Poker is a game that combines skill and chance. The debatable issue is how much is skill and how much is chance. On any 1 given hand, chance plays a large part. A novice player dealt a straight flush has a "pretty good" chance of beating a seasoned pro. However, the more hands you play the more skill comes into play. This is why in cash games, over a period of time, the better more skilled players win more consistently. Conversely, we have all seen tournaments where the "pro" walks away shaking his head after being eliminated by a novice who made what would be considered a "questionable" play. This is why tournaments are played over periods of time not simply 1 hand. The everlasting argument has and always will be the percentage of skill vs. chance. ben100647 on "How do you change state laws" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/311#post-1071 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:37:33 +0000 ben100647 1071@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Try going to the local newspapers and find the political columnists. Contact them and make them aware that you are getting no response from your local representatives after numerous attempts. It is not important to discuss the issue with them just the fact that you are being ignored by your representatives. Also contact the party leader in the House for the representatives and advise them of the lack of contact. Again, the issue is not important. The key emphasis should be on the lack of contact, not the issue. mikern12 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1070 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:59:15 +0000 mikern12 1070@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Here are some more hands for you people that say I suck at poker to analyze. I especially love how DR Quack reads me so well. Its amazing as if he knows what the river will be every time. This guy is brilliant putting like 5 bad beats on me in one session. Hand #58502975-1908 at Abadou (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 09:25:02 airwave21 is at seat 0 with $1.96. Beega Buck is at seat 1 with $1.97. DR QUACK is at seat 2 with $.86. mikern12 is at seat 3 with $.65. Sears_Tawer is at seat 4 with $.08. oversanyone is at seat 5 with $.35. hedindasky is at seat 6 with $1.72. dtatum39 is at seat 7 with $2. All-in-ReTo is at seat 8 with $2.70. Bottlecap is at seat 9 with $2.09. The button is at seat 1. DR QUACK posts the small blind of $.01. mikern12 posts the big blind of $.02. dtatum39 posts out of turn for $.02. airwave21: -- -- Beega Buck: -- -- DR QUACK: -- -- mikern12: Qd Ks Sears_Tawer: -- -- oversanyone: -- -- hedindasky: -- -- dtatum39: -- -- All-in-ReTo: -- -- Bottlecap: -- -- Pre-flop: Sears_Tawer folds. oversanyone folds. hedindasky folds. dtatum39 checks. All-in-ReTo folds. Bottlecap folds. airwave21 folds. Beega Buck folds. DR QUACK calls. mikern12 checks. Flop (board: 7s Kd Jd): DR QUACK bets $.06. mikern12 raises to $.12. dtatum39 folds. DR QUACK calls. Turn (board: 7s Kd Jd 9d): DR QUACK goes all-in for $.72. mikern12 goes all-in for $.51. DR QUACK is returned $.21 (uncalled). River (board: 7s Kd Jd 9d 6c): (no action in this round) Showdown: DR QUACK shows Kc 6d. DR QUACK has Kc 6d Kd Jd 6c: two pair, kings and sixes. mikern12 shows Qd Ks. mikern12 has Qd Ks Kd Jd 9d: a pair of kings. Hand #58502975-1908 Summary: $.13 is raked from a pot of $1.32. DR QUACK wins $1.19 with two pair, kings and sixes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58504773-2049 at Lake City (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 09:33:59 jstricklan is at seat 0 with $.58. _vonzy85_ is at seat 1 with $2.71. mikern12 is at seat 2 with $.84. DR QUACK is at seat 3 with $2.29. kaczdenn is at seat 4 with $.72. zazou7777 is at seat 5 with $2.13. PAUL 1966 is at seat 6 with $.55. Beega Buck is at seat 7 with $1.77. oversanyone is at seat 8 with $.10. marblenez is at seat 9 with $.43. The button is at seat 6. Beega Buck posts the small blind of $.01. oversanyone posts the big blind of $.02. jstricklan: -- -- _vonzy85_: -- -- mikern12: As Th DR QUACK: -- -- kaczdenn: -- -- zazou7777: -- -- PAUL 1966: -- -- Beega Buck: -- -- oversanyone: -- -- marblenez: -- -- Pre-flop: marblenez folds. jstricklan folds. _vonzy85_ calls. mikern12 calls. DR QUACK folds. kaczdenn folds. zazou7777 folds. PAUL 1966 calls. Beega Buck folds. oversanyone goes all-in for $.10. _vonzy85_ folds. mikern12 calls. PAUL 1966 calls. Flop (board: Ah 4h 8h): mikern12 bets $.33. PAUL 1966 folds. mikern12 is returned $.33 (uncalled). Turn (board: Ah 4h 8h 6s): (no action in this round) River (board: Ah 4h 8h 6s 5h): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows As Th. mikern12 has Th Ah 4h 8h 5h: flush, ace high. oversanyone shows Kh 7s. oversanyone has Kh Ah 4h 8h 5h: flush, ace/king high. Hand #58504773-2049 Summary: $.03 is raked from a pot of $.33. oversanyone wins $.30 with flush, ace high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17219 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 10:04:07 scooter_me is at seat 0 with $.11. Mad_Mat is at seat 1 with $1.98 (sitting out). gognol is at seat 2 with $1.60. lytlbit is at seat 3 with $.97. mikern12 is at seat 4 with $4.04. vitorcln is at seat 5 with $3.37. Sears_Tawer is at seat 6 with $.85. atoato is at seat 7 with $1. Beega Buck is at seat 8 with $1.96. drwnthn is at seat 9 with $3.43. The button is at seat 9. scooter_me posts the small blind of $.01. gognol posts the big blind of $.02. atoato posts out of turn for $.02. scooter_me: -- -- gognol: -- -- lytlbit: -- -- mikern12: 9s 4h vitorcln: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- atoato: -- -- Beega Buck: -- -- drwnthn: -- -- Pre-flop: lytlbit calls. mikern12 folds. vitorcln folds. Sears_Tawer folds. atoato checks. Beega Buck folds. drwnthn folds. scooter_me folds. gognol checks. Flop (board: Td 2d 4s): gognol checks. lytlbit bets $.02. atoato folds. gognol folds. lytlbit is returned $.02 (uncalled). Hand #58537975-17219 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. lytlbit wins $.07. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58503204-4817 at Rensselaer (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 13:07:57 lokjv101 is at seat 0 with $4.70. mikern12 is at seat 1 with $5.02. melymelo81 is at seat 2 with $9.62. dpborden is at seat 3 with $5 (sitting out). 56_town is at seat 4 with $2.58. rimc27548 is at seat 5 with $13.90. super44man is at seat 6 with $1.60. HateRiver12 is at seat 7 with $3.57 (sitting out). _redtip is at seat 8 with $11.20. Dawgbet is at seat 9 with $1.18. The button is at seat 1. melymelo81 posts the small blind of $.05. 56_town posts the big blind of $.10. lokjv101: -- -- mikern12: Jh Js melymelo81: -- -- 56_town: -- -- rimc27548: -- -- super44man: -- -- _redtip: -- -- Dawgbet: -- -- Pre-flop: rimc27548 folds. super44man folds. _redtip folds. Dawgbet raises to $.50. lokjv101 folds. mikern12 re-raises to $1.65. melymelo81 folds. 56_town folds. Dawgbet goes all-in for $1.18. mikern12 is returned $.47 (uncalled). Flop (board: 5c Ac Ah): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 5c Ac Ah 8c): (no action in this round) River (board: 5c Ac Ah 8c Th): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Jh Js. mikern12 has Jh Js Ac Ah Th: two pair, aces and jacks. Dawgbet shows As Jc. Dawgbet has As Jc Ac Ah Th: three aces. Hand #58503204-4817 Summary: $.12 is raked from a pot of $2.51. Dawgbet wins $2.39 with three aces. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17486 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 13:29:00 PwGoTuRLooT is at seat 0 with $.75. garykat is at seat 1 with $1.97. Dave B is at seat 2 with $.38. devilsman69 is at seat 3 with $1.83. mikern12 is at seat 4 with $2.36. Xevo is at seat 5 with $2.23. Sears_Tawer is at seat 6 with $.10. Fossiljoe is at seat 7 with $.17. Isuckoutu is at seat 8 with $2.34. Metal88 is at seat 9 with $2.43. The button is at seat 3. mikern12 posts the small blind of $.01. Xevo posts the big blind of $.02. PwGoTuRLooT: -- -- garykat: -- -- Dave B: -- -- devilsman69: -- -- mikern12: Jc As Xevo: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- Fossiljoe: -- -- Isuckoutu: -- -- Metal88: -- -- Pre-flop: Sears_Tawer folds. Fossiljoe folds. Isuckoutu folds. Metal88 folds. PwGoTuRLooT folds. garykat folds. Dave B folds. devilsman69 folds. mikern12 calls. Xevo checks. Flop (board: Ad 4h 2d): mikern12 checks. Xevo checks. Turn (board: Ad 4h 2d 7s): mikern12 checks. Xevo bets $.05. mikern12 calls. River (board: Ad 4h 2d 7s Ks): mikern12 checks. Xevo bets $.14. mikern12 calls. Showdown: Xevo shows 3c 5s. Xevo has 3c 5s Ad 4h 2d: straight, five high. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Jc As.) Hand #58537975-17486 Summary: $.04 is raked from a pot of $.42. Xevo wins $.38 with straight, five high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17505 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 13:44:02 PwGoTuRLooT is at seat 0 with $.66. garykat is at seat 1 with $1.50. shawn_redneck is at seat 2 with $2.22. scooter_me is at seat 3 with $.10. mikern12 is at seat 4 with $3.92. Xevo is at seat 5 with $2.85. Sears_Tawer is at seat 6 with $.26. Fossiljoe is at seat 7 with $.10. Isuckoutu is at seat 8 with $2.28. Metal88 is at seat 9 with $2.44 (sitting out). The button is at seat 3. mikern12 posts the small blind of $.01. Xevo posts the big blind of $.02. PwGoTuRLooT: -- -- garykat: -- -- shawn_redneck: -- -- scooter_me: -- -- mikern12: 8d 6d Xevo: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- Fossiljoe: -- -- Isuckoutu: -- -- Pre-flop: Sears_Tawer folds. Fossiljoe folds. Isuckoutu folds. PwGoTuRLooT folds. garykat folds. shawn_redneck calls. scooter_me goes all-in for $.10. mikern12 calls. Xevo calls. shawn_redneck folds. Flop (board: 4d 8h 6c): mikern12 bets $.32. Xevo calls. Turn (board: 4d 8h 6c 7d): mikern12 bets $.11. Xevo raises to $.22. mikern12 calls. River (board: 4d 8h 6c 7d Jh): mikern12 bets $.02. Xevo raises to $.40. mikern12 folds. Xevo is returned $.38 (uncalled). Showdown: Xevo shows 8c 8s. Xevo has 8c 8s 8h 7d Jh: three eights. scooter_me shows Qd Qc. scooter_me has Qd Qc 8h 7d Jh: a pair of queens. Hand #58537975-17505 Summary: $.14 is raked from a total pot of $1.44. $.03 is raked from the main pot of $.32. $.11 is raked from side pot #1 of $1.12. Xevo wins the main pot $.29 with three eights. Xevo wins the side pot $1.01 with three eights. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58503204-4889 at Rensselaer (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 13:50:14 lokjv101 is at seat 0 with $1.65. mikern12 is at seat 1 with $5.25. melymelo81 is at seat 2 with $7.64. dpborden is at seat 3 with $.23. Daffy_Blr is at seat 4 with $1.69. rimc27548 is at seat 5 with $13.05. dandelos is at seat 6 with $9.85. tiltoraza is at seat 7 with $1.80. _redtip is at seat 8 with $9.65. elyabani is at seat 9 with $12.38. The button is at seat 8. elyabani posts the small blind of $.05. lokjv101 posts the big blind of $.10. lokjv101: -- -- mikern12: Ac 2c melymelo81: -- -- dpborden: -- -- Daffy_Blr: -- -- rimc27548: -- -- dandelos: -- -- tiltoraza: -- -- _redtip: -- -- elyabani: -- -- Pre-flop: mikern12 calls. melymelo81 folds. dpborden goes all-in for $.23. Daffy_Blr folds. rimc27548 folds. dandelos folds. tiltoraza folds. _redtip folds. elyabani folds. lokjv101 re-raises to $.40. mikern12 calls. Flop (board: 5s 9h 3d): lokjv101 bets $.35. mikern12 calls. Turn (board: 5s 9h 3d 2h): lokjv101 bets $.35. mikern12 calls. River (board: 5s 9h 3d 2h 4h): lokjv101 goes all-in for $.55. mikern12 calls. Showdown: lokjv101 shows Qh Ah. lokjv101 has Qh Ah 9h 2h 4h: flush, ace high. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Ac 2c.) dpborden shows Js Kd. dpborden has Js Kd 5s 9h 4h: king high. Hand #58503204-4889 Summary: $.17 is raked from a total pot of $3.58. $.03 is raked from the main pot of $.74. $.14 is raked from side pot #1 of $2.84. lokjv101 wins the main pot $.71 with flush, ace high. lokjv101 wins the side pot $2.70 with flush, ace high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17538 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 14:09:32 PwGoTuRLooT is at seat 0 with $.47. garykat is at seat 1 with $1.47. shawn_redneck is at seat 2 with $1.03. XminicooperX is at seat 3 with $.48. mikern12 is at seat 4 with $3.15. Oklahomastate is at seat 5 with $1.11. Sears_Tawer is at seat 6 with $1.12. Fossiljoe is at seat 7 with $.10. Isuckoutu is at seat 8 with $2.15. Rainbow9x4 is at seat 9 with $2.47. The button is at seat 7. Isuckoutu posts the small blind of $.01. Rainbow9x4 posts the big blind of $.02. PwGoTuRLooT: -- -- garykat: -- -- shawn_redneck: -- -- XminicooperX: -- -- mikern12: Kd Ad Oklahomastate: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- Fossiljoe: -- -- Isuckoutu: -- -- Rainbow9x4: -- -- Pre-flop: PwGoTuRLooT folds. garykat folds. shawn_redneck calls. XminicooperX calls. mikern12 raises to $.11. Oklahomastate folds. Sears_Tawer folds. Fossiljoe folds. Isuckoutu folds. Rainbow9x4 calls. shawn_redneck folds. XminicooperX goes all-in for $.48. mikern12 calls. Rainbow9x4 folds. Flop (board: Jc 8d 5c): (no action in this round) Turn (board: Jc 8d 5c 2c): (no action in this round) River (board: Jc 8d 5c 2c Ts): (no action in this round) Showdown: XminicooperX shows 8h 8c. XminicooperX has 8h 8c Jc 8d Ts: three eights. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Kd Ad.) Hand #58537975-17538 Summary: $.11 is raked from a pot of $1.10. XminicooperX wins $.99 with three eights. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17656 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 15:41:37 Rosy63 is at seat 0 with $1.27. TargetDog1 is at seat 1 with $.24. mikern12 is at seat 3 with $1.13. Siph is at seat 4 with $1.60. Anscombe is at seat 5 with $1.94. robbb71 is at seat 6 with $1.03. Sears_Tawer is at seat 7 with $.10. azzdad is at seat 8 with $1.05. DR QUACK is at seat 9 with $1. The button is at seat 4. Anscombe posts the small blind of $.01. robbb71 posts the big blind of $.02. DR QUACK posts out of turn for $.02. Rosy63: -- -- TargetDog1: -- -- mikern12: Ad As Siph: -- -- Anscombe: -- -- robbb71: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- azzdad: -- -- DR QUACK: -- -- Pre-flop: Sears_Tawer folds. azzdad folds. DR QUACK checks. Rosy63 calls. TargetDog1 folds. mikern12 raises to $.11. Siph folds. Anscombe calls. robbb71 folds. DR QUACK calls. Rosy63 calls. Flop (board: 3c Kh 7d): Anscombe checks. DR QUACK checks. Rosy63 checks. mikern12 bets $.46. Anscombe folds. DR QUACK goes all-in for $.89. Rosy63 folds. mikern12 calls. Turn (board: 3c Kh 7d 7c): (no action in this round) River (board: 3c Kh 7d 7c Ks): (no action in this round) Showdown: DR QUACK shows 6s 7h. DR QUACK has 7h Kh 7d 7c Ks: full house, sevens full of kings. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Ad As.) Hand #58537975-17656 Summary: $.22 is raked from a pot of $2.24. DR QUACK wins $2.02 with full house, sevens full of kings. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-17658 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 15:43:37 Rosy63 is at seat 0 with $1.03. TargetDog1 is at seat 1 with $.24. blindbat7 is at seat 2 with $.34. mikern12 is at seat 3 with $2. Siph is at seat 4 with $1.60. Anscombe is at seat 5 with $1.83. robbb71 is at seat 6 with $1. Sears_Tawer is at seat 7 with $.08. azzdad is at seat 8 with $1.05. DR QUACK is at seat 9 with $3.29. The button is at seat 6. Sears_Tawer posts the small blind of $.01. azzdad posts the big blind of $.02. Rosy63: -- -- TargetDog1: -- -- blindbat7: -- -- mikern12: Kc Jh Siph: -- -- Anscombe: -- -- robbb71: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- azzdad: -- -- DR QUACK: -- -- Pre-flop: DR QUACK calls. Rosy63 folds. TargetDog1 raises to $.09. blindbat7 folds. mikern12 calls. Siph calls. Anscombe folds. robbb71 folds. Sears_Tawer folds. azzdad folds. DR QUACK calls. Flop (board: Js 7c 8h): DR QUACK checks. TargetDog1 goes all-in for $.15. mikern12 goes all-in for $1.91. Siph goes all-in for $1.51. DR QUACK folds. mikern12 is returned $.40 (uncalled). Turn (board: Js 7c 8h Qc): (no action in this round) River (board: Js 7c 8h Qc Jd): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Kc Jh. mikern12 has Kc Jh Js Qc Jd: three jacks. Siph shows Td 9d. Siph has Td 9d Js 8h Qc: straight, queen high. TargetDog1 shows As Ks. TargetDog1 has As Ks Js Qc Jd: a pair of jacks. Hand #58537975-17658 Summary: $.35 is raked from a total pot of $3.56. $.08 is raked from the main pot of $.84. $.27 is raked from side pot #1 of $2.72. Siph wins the main pot $.76 with straight, queen high. Siph wins the side pot $2.45 with straight, queen high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58503142-15198 at Amherst (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 15:51:51 mikern12 is at seat 0 with $2.75. rimc27548 is at seat 1 with $9.56. melngab is at seat 2 with $3.69. realtuff27 is at seat 3 with $3.56. imachipster is at seat 4 with $9.62. jakkinho is at seat 5 with $11.09. kazman is at seat 6 with $10.65. stevoreno21 is at seat 7 with $8.27. mrmitz is at seat 8 with $10.30. bbear111 is at seat 9 with $9.98. The button is at seat 3. imachipster posts the small blind of $.05. jakkinho posts the big blind of $.10. mikern12: Ad Th rimc27548: -- -- melngab: -- -- realtuff27: -- -- imachipster: -- -- jakkinho: -- -- kazman: -- -- stevoreno21: -- -- mrmitz: -- -- bbear111: -- -- Pre-flop: kazman folds. stevoreno21 folds. mrmitz folds. bbear111 folds. mikern12 raises to $.35. rimc27548 folds. melngab folds. realtuff27 folds. imachipster folds. jakkinho calls. Flop (board: 8h 8c As): jakkinho checks. mikern12 bets $.75. jakkinho raises to $1.50. mikern12 goes all-in for $2.40. jakkinho calls. Turn (board: 8h 8c As 6h): (no action in this round) River (board: 8h 8c As 6h 4d): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Ad Th. mikern12 has Ad Th 8h 8c As: two pair, aces and eights. jakkinho shows 8d Ts. jakkinho has 8d Ts 8h 8c As: three eights. Hand #58503142-15198 Summary: $.27 is raked from a pot of $5.55. jakkinho wins $5.28 with three eights. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks everyone for your critiquing and support, you are all truly wonderful. KodyB on "Non Profit Poker Tournaments" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/341#post-1069 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:57:32 +0000 KodyB 1069@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ The tournnments I run are in Colorado, but I have been asked to run some in Nebraska here in the near future. flord on "pokertime is a rigged sight" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/342#post-1068 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:18:33 +0000 flord 1068@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Its been 6 months wen i withwrew not a dime.I keep getting ahold off sight and get nothing but the run around.I deposeted many times and played and rake 100s of rake hands and 100s of turneys.Now they want my bank info to make a deposet in my account.YW The sight has showen me no trust. And the play on the sight at best is ?????? but thats poker. POKERTIME IS A SCAM SIGHT ben100647 on "LEGAL PRIVATE HOME GAME NO RAKE NO TIME CHARGED" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/284#post-1067 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:33:06 +0000 ben100647 1067@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ The local police may not bother you but the game is in clear violation of the New York State Penal Law section 225. Your players are risking "something of value" to win "something of value." By not taking a rake or any profit from the game you are attempting to avoid to avoid the "promotion of gambling" However, the players are in clear violation of the law. The major problem with the law is that different counties and local authorities react differently to a "home" game. You are not currently being bothered in Suffolk County but that could change with a new administration or simply new police officers being assigned to your area. As a side note, please review the press release below: THE FREE POKER EXPERIENCE, LLC P. O. Box 66738 #17440, Saint Louis, Missouri 63166-6738 Phone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Playing Poker for Free is Illegal in 30 States New York, New York (November 10, 2008) - The Free Poker Experience, LLC, a Missouri limited liability company has filed an action in the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (No.: 650328/2008) to prove that New York Penal Law is unconstitutional under both the state and federal constitutions when applied to free poker. The Free Poker Experience represents Free Poker Network, Inc., (http://www.freepokernetwork.com) a company that organizes free-to-play Texas Holdem poker tournaments hosted by participating sponsors (bars, restaurants, taverns, etc.). The tournaments are 100% FREE –to-play in and are for entertainment purposes only; players are never charged a fee of any kind to play. The player risks nothing and can lose nothing. The New York State Penal Law (§ 225) states that playing any game wherein you risk “something of value” is gambling. The State further defines “something of value” as anything “…involving entertainment or a privilege of playing at a game or scheme without charge. New York State Penal Law seeks to have nothing defined as something and to impermissibly broaden the definition of gambling past any reason or constitutional test; because the player is entertained, enjoys the exercise or even dares to engage in the game, according to Benjamin Scheck, managing member of The Free Poker Experience. Mr. Scheck said, “We are fighting the government to protect the right of the “average Joe” to play free Poker. This is a critical time for poker. To win we need strong, vocal support and active involvement from the poker playing public.” “There is nothing more important that the poker playing public can do to promote and defend the great game of poker than to help us help them in defending America’s game, poker. We are not a large national organization with millions of dues paying members. We are regular people who believe that it is time that the “average Joe” stands up and fights for his rights” said Thomas Kozlowski, Director of Operations for The Free Poker Experience. ♠ Ensure that your poker voice is heard loud and clear! ♣ Join the fight and help protect America’s card game! ♥ Defend poker and your Constitutional rights! ♦ Poker is the great American card game it is not a crime! For Information Contact: Benjamin Scheck, managing member The Free Poker Experience, LLC Telephone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> # # # ben100647 on "PA is a joke" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/336#post-1066 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:14:25 +0000 ben100647 1066@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Challenging laws by breaking them may well get you a forum however, there is a better and smarter action. We at the Free Poker Experience have sued New York State (seeking a Declaratory judgment) declaring that the New York state Penal code is unconstitutional in regard to bar/tavern poker. See Pres Release below: THE FREE POKER EXPERIENCE, LLC P. O. Box 66738 #17440, Saint Louis, Missouri 63166-6738 Phone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Playing Poker for Free is Illegal in 30 States New York, New York (November 10, 2008) - The Free Poker Experience, LLC, a Missouri limited liability company has filed an action in the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (No.: 650328/2008) to prove that New York Penal Law is unconstitutional under both the state and federal constitutions when applied to free poker. The Free Poker Experience represents Free Poker Network, Inc., (http://www.freepokernetwork.com) a company that organizes free-to-play Texas Holdem poker tournaments hosted by participating sponsors (bars, restaurants, taverns, etc.). The tournaments are 100% FREE –to-play in and are for entertainment purposes only; players are never charged a fee of any kind to play. The player risks nothing and can lose nothing. The New York State Penal Law (§ 225) states that playing any game wherein you risk “something of value” is gambling. The State further defines “something of value” as anything “…involving entertainment or a privilege of playing at a game or scheme without charge. New York State Penal Law seeks to have nothing defined as something and to impermissibly broaden the definition of gambling past any reason or constitutional test; because the player is entertained, enjoys the exercise or even dares to engage in the game, according to Benjamin Scheck, managing member of The Free Poker Experience. Mr. Scheck said, “We are fighting the government to protect the right of the “average Joe” to play free Poker. This is a critical time for poker. To win we need strong, vocal support and active involvement from the poker playing public.” “There is nothing more important that the poker playing public can do to promote and defend the great game of poker than to help us help them in defending America’s game, poker. We are not a large national organization with millions of dues paying members. We are regular people who believe that it is time that the “average Joe” stands up and fights for his rights” said Thomas Kozlowski, Director of Operations for The Free Poker Experience. ♠ Ensure that your poker voice is heard loud and clear! ♣ Join the fight and help protect America’s card game! ♥ Defend poker and your Constitutional rights! ♦ Poker is the great American card game it is not a crime! For Information Contact: Benjamin Scheck, managing member The Free Poker Experience, LLC Telephone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> # # # ben100647 on "Non Profit Poker Tournaments" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/341#post-1065 Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:56:55 +0000 ben100647 1065@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Each state has there own rules regarding fundraisers. To run any charitable fundraiser in the state of New York you must get a license from the New York Racing Assoc. (NYRA). There are specific rules regarding location, employees, etc.check out the following web-site: <a href="http://www.racing.state.ny.us/about/rls.home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.racing.state.ny.us/about/rls.home.htm</a> KodyB on "Non Profit Poker Tournaments" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/341#post-1064 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:41:36 +0000 KodyB 1064@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I'm inquiring about loop holes for running a poker tourney for fund raisers for fire depts, hospitals and such. I once heard that if a certain percentage goes to a non profit organization that it was perfectly legal? Would this qualify under the bone fide law or how creative am I going to have to get? mikern12 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1063 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:29:06 +0000 mikern12 1063@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I was thinking maybe someone could analyze these hands. Some of them I am not even involved with but I figured they could use a little analyzing also. Thanks for not rigging the cards ub. Hand #58502925-11795 at Jenison (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 21/Nov/08 07:56:27 AznRiceBeast is at seat 0 with $2.02. kallitto is at seat 1 with $2.45. chilineo is at seat 2 with $2.60 (sitting out). mikern12 is at seat 3 with $.95. MolinoViejo is at seat 5 with $3.02. rc2008 is at seat 7 with $.47. mr_howdy is at seat 9 with $.50. The button is at seat 7. mr_howdy posts the small blind of $.01. AznRiceBeast posts the big blind of $.02. Anscombe posts out of turn for $.02. AznRiceBeast: -- -- kallitto: -- -- mikern12: Th Kc Anscombe: -- -- MolinoViejo: -- -- rc2008: -- -- mr_howdy: -- -- Pre-flop: kallitto folds. mikern12 calls. Anscombe checks. MolinoViejo folds. rc2008 calls. mr_howdy calls. AznRiceBeast checks. Flop (board: Ks 4h 3s): mr_howdy checks. AznRiceBeast checks. mikern12 bets $.25. Anscombe folds. rc2008 folds. mr_howdy calls. AznRiceBeast folds. Turn (board: Ks 4h 3s 7s): mr_howdy checks. mikern12 bets $.60. mr_howdy goes all-in for $.23. mikern12 is returned $.37 (uncalled). River (board: Ks 4h 3s 7s 5h): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Th Kc. mikern12 has Th Kc Ks 7s 5h: a pair of kings. mr_howdy shows 6s 8s. mr_howdy has 6s 8s Ks 3s 7s: flush, king high. Hand #58502925-11795 Summary: $.10 is raked from a pot of $1.06. mr_howdy wins $.96 with flush, king high. Hand #58502927-10177 at Lackawanna (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 21/Nov/08 23:16:30 azzdad is at seat 1 with $.76. trippstrips is at seat 2 with $2.44. Alton H is at seat 4 with $.48. jp84 is at seat 5 with $1.79. wampumbearer is at seat 6 with $2.47. 1 GrTGrl is at seat 7 with $.53. tenandtelli is at seat 8 with $1.57. mikern12 is at seat 9 with $.96. The button is at seat 9. azzdad posts the small blind of $.01. trippstrips posts the big blind of $.02. Alton H posts out of turn for $.02. azzdad: -- -- trippstrips: -- -- Alton H: -- -- jp84: -- -- wampumbearer: -- -- 1 GrTGrl: -- -- tenandtelli: -- -- mikern12: Ah Ks Pre-flop: Alton H checks. jp84 folds. wampumbearer folds. 1 GrTGrl calls. tenandtelli calls. mikern12 raises to $.13. azzdad re-raises to $.26. trippstrips folds. Alton H folds. 1 GrTGrl calls. tenandtelli calls. mikern12 goes all-in for $.96. azzdad goes all-in for $.76. 1 GrTGrl goes all-in for $.53. tenandtelli calls. Flop (board: Kd Ts Js): (no action in this round) Turn (board: Kd Ts Js 3s): (no action in this round) River (board: Kd Ts Js 3s 5d): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Ah Ks. mikern12 has Ah Ks Kd Ts Js: a pair of kings. azzdad shows Ac As. azzdad has Ac As Kd Ts Js: a pair of aces. 1 GrTGrl shows 7h 8c. 1 GrTGrl has 7h 8c Kd Ts Js: king high. tenandtelli shows Jd Jc. tenandtelli has Jd Jc Kd Ts Js: three jacks. Hand #58502927-10177 Summary: $.31 is raked from a total pot of $3.25. $.21 is raked from the main pot of $2.16. $.06 is raked from side pot #1 of $.69. $.04 is raked from side pot #2 of $.40. tenandtelli wins the main pot $1.95 with three jacks. tenandtelli wins side pot #1 $.63 with three jacks. tenandtelli wins side pot #2 $.36 with three jacks. -----Hand #58503196-4720 at Longueuil (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 21/Nov/08 23:57:14 wildbelle is at seat 0 with $1.85. Bond001 is at seat 1 with $.20. metoad6 is at seat 2 with $.09 (sitting out). monumentman48 is at seat 3 with $1.53. Banjo lip is at seat 4 with $1.02. mikern12 is at seat 5 with $1.58. garand is at seat 6 with $.86. chad mcmac is at seat 7 with $.44. mpw1976 is at seat 9 with $2.34. The button is at seat 2. monumentman48 posts the small blind of $.01. Banjo lip posts the big blind of $.02. chad mcmac posts out of turn for $.02. wildbelle: -- -- Bond001: -- -- monumentman48: -- -- Banjo lip: -- -- mikern12: 9c 9s garand: -- -- chad mcmac: -- -- mpw1976: -- -- Pre-flop: metoad6 has disconnected, is dropped. mikern12 calls. garand folds. chad mcmac checks. mpw1976 folds. wildbelle folds. Bond001 raises to $.11. monumentman48 folds. Banjo lip calls. mikern12 calls. chad mcmac folds. Flop (board: Jh 7d Js): Banjo lip checks. mikern12 checks. Bond001 bets $.02. Banjo lip folds. mikern12 raises to $.11. Bond001 goes all-in for $.09. mikern12 is returned $.02 (uncalled). Turn (board: Jh 7d Js 8d): (no action in this round) River (board: Jh 7d Js 8d Td): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows 9c 9s. mikern12 has 9c Jh 7d 8d Td: straight, jack high. Bond001 shows Ks Kh. Bond001 has Ks Kh Jh Js Td: two pair, kings and jacks. Hand #58503196-4720 Summary: $.05 is raked from a pot of $.54. mikern12 wins $.49 with straight, jack high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- --Hand #58502930-10054 at Abadia (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 00:07:16 lytlbit is at seat 0 with $.90. Rainbow9x4 is at seat 1 with $2.71 (sitting out). trussmonkey is at seat 2 with $2.66. Aruba2099 is at seat 3 with $.46 (sitting out). mikern12 is at seat 4 with $1.21. scientyphik is at seat 6 with $2.79. ----Mo---- is at seat 7 with $.60. oversanyone is at seat 8 with $.10. royalpain13 is at seat 9 with $.61. The button is at seat 9. lytlbit posts the small blind of $.01. trussmonkey posts the big blind of $.02. lytlbit: -- -- trussmonkey: -- -- mikern12: Ts 7s scientyphik: -- -- ----Mo----: -- -- oversanyone: -- -- royalpain13: -- -- Pre-flop: mikern12 calls. scientyphik folds. ----Mo---- folds. oversanyone folds. royalpain13 folds. lytlbit calls. trussmonkey checks. Flop (board: As Ah Js): lytlbit checks. trussmonkey checks. mikern12 checks. Turn (board: As Ah Js 6s): lytlbit bets $.02. trussmonkey raises to $.12. mikern12 calls. lytlbit calls. River (board: As Ah Js 6s 3s): lytlbit checks. trussmonkey bets $.42. mikern12 folds. lytlbit folds. trussmonkey is returned $.42 (uncalled). Hand #58502930-10054 Summary: $.04 is raked from a pot of $.42. trussmonkey wins $.38. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----Hand #58503196-4774 at Longueuil (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 01:07:12 Rainbow9x4 is at seat 1 with $3.42. skip2poker is at seat 2 with $.09. garykat is at seat 3 with $2.16. atoato is at seat 4 with $1.09. mikern12 is at seat 5 with $1.09. jonydllr is at seat 6 with $.53. jerm101010 is at seat 7 with $1.33. arng505 is at seat 8 with $2.32. mpw1976 is at seat 9 with $.98. The button is at seat 6. jerm101010 posts the small blind of $.01. arng505 posts the big blind of $.02. Rainbow9x4: -- -- skip2poker: -- -- garykat: -- -- atoato: -- -- mikern12: Qc Qs jonydllr: -- -- jerm101010: -- -- arng505: -- -- mpw1976: -- -- Pre-flop: mpw1976 folds. Rainbow9x4 folds. skip2poker goes all-in for $.09. garykat folds. atoato folds. mikern12 calls. jonydllr folds. jerm101010 folds. arng505 folds. Flop (board: 8h 7c 5c): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 8h 7c 5c 4d): (no action in this round) River (board: 8h 7c 5c 4d 5d): (no action in this round) Showdown: skip2poker shows 6s 6d. skip2poker has 6s 8h 7c 5c 4d: straight, eight high. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Qc Qs.) Hand #58503196-4774 Summary: $.02 is raked from a pot of $.21. skip2poker wins $.19 with straight, eight high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------Hand #58503196-4782 at Longueuil (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 01:15:38 freddiflush is at seat 0 with $.23. Rainbow9x4 is at seat 1 with $3.36. skip2poker is at seat 2 with $.41. garykat is at seat 3 with $2.11. atoato is at seat 4 with $.90. mikern12 is at seat 5 with $.97. jonydllr is at seat 6 with $1.17. jerm101010 is at seat 7 with $1.26. arng505 is at seat 8 with $1.71. mpw1976 is at seat 9 with $.91. The button is at seat 5. jonydllr posts the small blind of $.01. jerm101010 posts the big blind of $.02. freddiflush: -- -- Rainbow9x4: -- -- skip2poker: -- -- garykat: -- -- atoato: -- -- mikern12: 5c 7c jonydllr: -- -- jerm101010: -- -- arng505: -- -- mpw1976: -- -- Pre-flop: arng505 calls. mpw1976 folds. freddiflush calls. Rainbow9x4 folds. skip2poker folds. garykat folds. atoato folds. mikern12 calls. jonydllr calls. jerm101010 checks. Flop (board: 7h 7s Th): jonydllr checks. jerm101010 checks. arng505 bets $.10. freddiflush folds. mikern12 calls. jonydllr folds. jerm101010 folds. Turn (board: 7h 7s Th 8s): arng505 bets $.30. mikern12 goes all-in for $.85. arng505 calls. River (board: 7h 7s Th 8s 6h): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows 5c 7c. mikern12 has 7c 7h 7s Th 8s: three sevens. arng505 shows 6s 6c. arng505 has 6s 6c 7h 7s 6h: full house, sixes full of sevens. Hand #58503196-4782 Summary: $.20 is raked from a pot of $2. arng505 wins $1.80 with full house, sixes full of sevens. ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Hand #58503196-4784 at Longueuil (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 22/Nov/08 01:18:26 Rainbow9x4 is at seat 1 with $3.56. skip2poker is at seat 2 with $.41. garykat is at seat 3 with $2.11. atoato is at seat 4 with $.90. mikern12 is at seat 5 with $2. jonydllr is at seat 6 with $1.15. jerm101010 is at seat 7 with $1.23. arng505 is at seat 8 with $2.52. mpw1976 is at seat 9 with $.91. The button is at seat 7. arng505 posts the small blind of $.01. mpw1976 posts the big blind of $.02. Rainbow9x4: -- -- skip2poker: -- -- garykat: -- -- atoato: -- -- mikern12: Jc Th jonydllr: -- -- jerm101010: -- -- arng505: -- -- mpw1976: -- -- Pre-flop: Rainbow9x4 folds. skip2poker folds. garykat folds. atoato folds. mikern12 calls. jonydllr folds. jerm101010 calls. arng505 calls. mpw1976 raises to $.10. mikern12 folds. jerm101010 folds. arng505 re-raises to $.91. mpw1976 goes all-in for $.91. Flop (board: 4c 6h As): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 4c 6h As 5h): (no action in this round) River (board: 4c 6h As 5h 9d): (no action in this round) Showdown: arng505 shows Ah Qs. arng505 has Ah Qs 6h As 9d: a pair of aces. mpw1976 shows Kc Ks. mpw1976 has Kc Ks 6h As 9d: a pair of kings. Hand #58503196-4784 Summary: $.18 is raked from a pot of $1.86. arng505 wins $1.68 with a pair of aces. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- john088 on "Obama turn back the UIGEA" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/323#post-1062 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:37:52 +0000 john088 1062@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Wake up people..........The President-elect is not going to help us immediately. I wish he would because frankly I'm tired of paying taxes, working hard, and being a law abiding citizen who can't sit down at my computer and use my credit card to load my poker account,or my bank account to get my winnings when I cash out. He has to do something about the economy first. Don't ask me what but he has to do something, or at least act as though he is doing something. Probably the only chance we have is if one of his new 'appointees' realizes the government is missing out on a large amount of tax revenue by not taxing our winnings. Do I want to pay taxes on my winnings? NO.....but it will probably be the only way to get our rights to play back. Let's look at the pros and cons of the government taxing online poker winnings... PRO-It will be easy for us to deposit and cash out (remember the good ole days when you could cash out and have the money in your bank account within 24 hours?) PRO-With the taxation comes some type of regulation (Maybe the UB and Absolute scandals would not have occurred with some govt regulation) Con-With the taxation comes some type of regulation. We all know the government could possibly make it worse. Politicans are politicans and some decisions they make have us wondering 'if they are playing with a full deck' (pun intended) Con-The taxation could be so extreme that you might not want to cash out a small amount, because your $500/hr winning rate is reduced to $250 or $300/hr after taxes. Pro-Poker (both online and at brick and mortar casinos) could again gain a large number of new players. Pro-The Republican Party will not have an easy time trying to enact legislation to ban online poker. For those of you who might be unaware, the Republican Party stated in their manifesto (sorry I mean party platform) that they wanted to BAN all online poker. If you don't believe me, go see it for yourself <a href="http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/Crime.htm#2">(Click here)</a> If online poker generated tax money, the republicans would have a very difficult time abolishing it. I'm sure I missed some....just food for thought john088 on "What is the status of online gambling in Maryland?" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/303#post-1061 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:55:53 +0000 john088 1061@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I understand your frustration Clown. I got the same responses from them. I believe I also have the answer to your comment about poker being illegal in Maryland. Online poker is not illegal in the state, but I believe there are some sites which we are not able to receive any type of monetary prize. I could be wrong, but I believe it is the sites where you pay a flat monthly fee (membership fee) and then play for prizes (including cash). I believe it is illegal (or has been interpeted to be by attorneys) due to the sweepstakes laws in our state. I know there are sites of this type where we cannot receive any prizes, but we can still play 'free'. Let me tell you that I am not an attorney, nor do I strive to be. I am just a overworked, underpaid policeman who likes to play poker. So I cannot tell you with all certainty that this my explanation is totally correct. PokerIowa89 on "skallagrim, help!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/244#post-1060 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:24:01 +0000 PokerIowa89 1060@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Full Tilt does not allow multiple users to use an account, and doesn't allow players to allow multiple users access to one account. Rule 2 under the Site Rules: Players are not allowed to create, use, or deposit to more than one account. Players who are found to have multiple accounts or to have allowed multiple users to access their account may face account suspensions or revocations, and forfeiture of their accumulated Full Tilt Points and real or play money balances. I don't think that much would come out of any course of action he took. FTP will most likely just bring up that rule and end their involvement there. They have no obligation to help seeing as how the password was given to the second player to access the account and to play on that account. Skallagrim on "Playing Poker for Free is Illegal in 30 States!!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/339#post-1059 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:43 +0000 Skallagrim 1059@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ NY laws in this area are pretty outrageous. I would be very interested in seeing a copy of your suit if you can provide one. Although it is a weak argument in NY (where a game is "gambling" if chance is a "material element of the game") the skill v. chance argument is available in many of the 30 states you reference. If the PPA can be of help in those states where proving poker is predominantly skill can actually make a difference, please do not hesitate to contact me. Patrick "Skallagrim" Fleming PPA Litigation Support Director. PokerIowa89 on "Question about Full Tilt Poker" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/340#post-1058 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:02:43 +0000 PokerIowa89 1058@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I was wondering if playing the freeroll tournaments of Full Tilt Poker and winning Tournament $ and real money and then playing real money tables would be illegal for an 18 year old in Iowa. There is no money lost or placed to start with, and everything gained would be a prize from a free game. I've heard that there is a casino here in the state that has a room for 18, 19, and 20 year old players to play poker (although the gambling age is 21 for live play) but have not checked on that yet. If this is true (have heard it from several people that go to that casino weekly), would it make sense to assume that playing Full Tilt with only money won without staking would be a legal way to play at age 18? Skallagrim on "illegal?" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/337#post-1057 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:58:29 +0000 Skallagrim 1057@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Talk to a lawyer in Colorado. The PPA can provide names of lawyers for you to contact if you do not have a regular one. Colorado has a pretty liberal social gaming exception in its law, and based on what you say I would conclude you violated no law. But the State Police in Colorado seem to have a real problem with poker (maybe the head guy suffered one too many bad beats) and aggressively prosecute and investigate. For fuller details see the thread on Colorado law in the "Ask Skallagrim" forum. Skallagrim machetero on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1056 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:03:39 +0000 machetero 1056@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Mikern, first two hands, you slowplayed AQ and JJ, good hands, but hands that get outdrawn on more often than they win. Then you ended up all in with them, so you set yourself up by limping to a certain extent. Personally, I would only consider doing that with AA, maybe KK, but even then, I would realize my own trap backfired on me. Yeah, they are bad beats, but they are in the 20-30% range, meaning that one out of every four times you put yourself in those situations, you will lose, so there is nothing out of the ordinary there, not to mention that both the A5 and the 33 might have folded, or at least only called, had you raised instead of limped in to begin with, in which case, you could have easily won both hands with a continuation flop bet. Third hand, you gave a free card to two open ended straight draws on the turn; you really deserve to lose that one. I’m not going to keep reading the histories. This is pretty poor evidence for your arguments so far. Based on your later posts, it sounds like maybe some of the more ridiculous beats were later on, but you're obviously not playing optimal poker here either, so you bear some of the responsibility for your losses. Trust me, the higher in limits you go, it gets tougher to win. The online pros don't play your limits, so you will see a very different style of play at higher limits. It cannot even be compared. The lower limits are easier to beat with straightforward mathematical play. The higher limits emphasize more reading, deception, etc. because everyone knows the math. But although easier to beat, the lower limits will always have many more bad beats. I can see how this would seem "rigged" but there is a very simple mathematical reason for this. The lower limits have a much higher percentage of bad players, or players that simply don't care about losing 50 cents so they will go all in with any two cards. Let's say they are going in with cards that have a 10% chance of winning. They will still win 10 out of every 100 times they do this. Since it happens so often at low limits, even at 10% odds you will see it happen a lot. Furthermore, the better you play, the more bad beats you will take. This is also a statistical fact because the better you play, the more often you have the best cards when the chips go in. If you never bet when you're behind, you can't give bad beats, you can only take them, so taking a lot of bad beats, as weird as it may sound, is actually a sign of playing well, although that may not encourage you very much. Paulie, mikern doesn't need your defense. If he goes into a POKER PLAYERS alliance forum and argues against legalizing online poker, he should expect to get some strong arguments in response. BTW, I design military airplanes for a living. Care to comment on whether or not this is a valid contribution to society? If anything we did or fought for had to pass such muster, this country may not have been founded based on people not wanting to pay taxes on tea (I guess those guys were also unpatriotic because they did not want to give money to the government). You better believe that if all of a sudden, the government made playing professional football illegal based on the fact that players "could" get hurt, and addictive sports gamblers "could" hurt their families, there would probably be a Football Players Alliance fighting like cats and dogs to get such idiotic law reversed. And how do you know that we are not also fighting hard for other "important" issues we care about? I concede that there may be more important issues, but this one is not unimportant, for many reasons, many of which have been argued in this thread and others here. If nothing else, think of this: what's next? If we bend over while they take this freedom away, what will they think they can get away with next time? The government should be scared of taking ANY freedom away from the people. BTW, the only reason unpatriotic people like me don't go to casinos is because there isn't one I can go to without getting on an airplane and staying at an overpriced hotel. The casinos you support so much would love to have a chance to offer online extensions of themselves to us, but the government will not let them. We would gladly sponsor them. Both the consumers and providers in this industry would accept the taxation and regulation that would come with legalization, so don't blame the "unpatriotic leech online poker players", as you apparently view us, blame your government for forcing us to go underground to play the game that we love. The majority of the PPA, Flintstone and others notwithstanding, is made up of people with taxed jobs (I guess that means we are valuable contributors to society), who love this game and are vehemently opposed to any attempt by the government to take away our right to play it. You are within your right to not call your Senator, but don't berate those of us who love our freedom more than you do and choose to take action to defend it. We are not hurting this country; we are trying to make it better. You will find very few people in the PPA, if any, arguing against taxation of our winnings. Even in this very thread people are arguing for it. Flintstone's point was less about the loss of the job than it was about the money he could be spending IN THIS COUNTRY if the government let him bring it in, and even more so, about the potential revenue the government could have to do something beneficial with (hopefully) if they did allow us to contribute more via taxation. When have you ever heard of anybody else pretty much begging to be taxed? Now that I think about it, by your rationale, we are the most patriotic lot. While everyone else is voting for Obama so that they can get their share of the middle tax cut, while they're paying big money to H&R Block so they can pay the absolute minimum allowed, we are asking to pay more. mikern12 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1055 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:45:50 +0000 mikern12 1055@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Okay, could you please tell me how I played those hands wrong. I am just trying to learn how to play poker. I mean that guy with the 5-3 off suit, what a smooth move he put on me. Or that guy with the 10-5 my god did he out play me on that hand. Please a little info as to how I could have played the hands better would be a little better than wow you suck and your only playing 1-2 cent tables. Maybe I play because I enjoy playing and don't want to risk lots of money playing online, or maybe my wife will not let me invest too much into poker, but what I am complaining about is the odds and why people made the moves they did at the times they did? Please explain how those people made those awesome moves and then continued to play nice and tight after, I am just curious. Oh and this morning I played for an hour and won 7 dollars playing garbage cards and sucked out like crazy on the river. Guess thats how the online pros play and win. lmfao mikern12 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1054 Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:07:27 +0000 mikern12 1054@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Did you happen to read the hand histories prior to making your comments. Did you not see what the other guy was reraising with? The hand was all in post flop not after the river. The guy called with k2 and hit runner runner. I am playing low limits because I don't have much money after all the bad beats I keep taking so what do you want from me. I would not deposit another dime on here so that I can just get sucked out on some more. kidkvno1 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1053 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:23:19 +0000 kidkvno1 1053@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ AK you did not even make a hand, and yeah that is a pro move all-in pre flop NOT that was a dumb move and just like the rest of your all-in donkey moves, and oh yeah real table games must be rigged to??? You see the same hands at a real table. And what do you hope to do by playing a .01/.02??? Get some dam books, and well sh!t then by all means i should be losing! Even a pro will tell you the same thing i just told you. and anyone else think and or know i am right on this after he has posted his hands??? so all in all it just shows they are the ones b!tching about it, and it is the ones who don't wish to take the time to learn it!!! You win many pots on bluffs and semi-bluffs and often get paid off on your big hands. You lack discipline. People are often able to slow-play or check-raise you because they know you'll bet. ben100647 on "Playing Poker for Free is Illegal in 30 States!!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/339#post-1052 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:19:05 +0000 ben100647 1052@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ New York, New York (November 10, 2008) - The Free Poker Experience, LLC, a Missouri limited liability company has filed an action in the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (No.: 650328/2008) to prove that New York Penal Law is unconstitutional under both the state and federal constitutions when applied to free poker. The Free Poker Experience represents Free Poker Network, Inc., (http://www.freepokernetwork.com) a company that organizes free-to-play Texas Holdem poker tournaments hosted by participating sponsors (bars, restaurants, taverns, etc.). The tournaments are 100% FREE –to-play in and are for entertainment purposes only; players are never charged a fee of any kind to play. The player risks nothing and can lose nothing. The New York State Penal Law (§ 225) states that playing any game wherein you risk “something of value” is gambling. The State further defines “something of value” as anything “…involving entertainment or a privilege of playing at a game or scheme without charge. New York State Penal Law seeks to have nothing defined as something and to impermissibly broaden the definition of gambling past any reason or constitutional test; because the player is entertained, enjoys the exercise or even dares to engage in the game, according to Benjamin Scheck, managing member of The Free Poker Experience. Mr. Scheck said, “We are fighting the government to protect the right of the “average Joe” to play free Poker. This is a critical time for poker. To win we need strong, vocal support and active involvement from the poker playing public.” “There is nothing more important that the poker playing public can do to promote and defend the great game of poker than to help us help them in defending America’s game, poker. We are not a large national organization with millions of dues paying members. We are regular people who believe that it is time that the “average Joe” stands up and fights for his rights” said Thomas Kozlowski, Director of Operations for The Free Poker Experience. ♠ Ensure that your poker voice is heard loud and clear! ♣ Join the fight and help protect America’s card game! ♥ Defend poker and your Constitutional rights! ♦ Poker is the great American card game it is not a crime! For Information Contact: Benjamin Scheck, managing member The Free Poker Experience, LLC Telephone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> ben100647 on "FREE Poker Experience Sues New York State" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/338#post-1051 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:14:23 +0000 ben100647 1051@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Playing Poker for FREE Illegal!!!!! Yes it’s true. Not only in New York, but in as many as 30 other states it is ILLEGAL for you and your friends to sit down and play a friendly game of Poker even if there is NO MONEY involved. Throughout this great country many states allow what is referred to as “bar or tavern” poker. In this game you join a poker league at a local “sponsor” (bar, tavern, restaurant, etc.) then compete on a weekly basis for prizes ranging from merchandise to cash to entry into major tournaments such as the World Series of Poker. The tournaments are for entertainment purposes only and entry into the league and tournaments is FREE. Players begin each session of play with an equal amount of tournament chips and are never charged a fee of any kind to play. The player risks nothing and can loose nothing. The New York State Penal Code (§ 225) states that playing any game wherein you risk “something of value” is gambling. The State further defines “something of value” as anything “…involving extension of a service, entertainment or a privilege of playing at a game or scheme without charge.” This law makes it illegal to play in or sponsor a FREE poker tournament where there is no entry fee of any kind and absolutely no risk of loss to the player. Further, in the State of New York any “sponsor” would be promoting gambling and subject to having their liquor license suspended. If this standard was applied evenly and fairly any competitive game played for entertainment (i.e. bridge, volleyball, bowling, darts, etc.) would be gambling. Unfortunately that is not the case as poker is singled out as gambling while all other competitive games are allowed to be played. Our position is simple. If you pay nothing to play, have no risk and can loose nothing then there is no gamble. We have filed an action in the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (case No.: 650328/2008) claiming that the law, as written and applied is unconstitutional and a violation of the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution calling for equal protection under the law. If you ban FREE poker then you must ban all FREE games wherein the player can win “something of value.” We are fighting the Government to protect your right to play FREE Poker. To win we need strong, vocal support and active involvement from you, the poker playing public. With this in mind, I urge you to support our action by writing letters to the Court and sending them to The FREE Poker Experience for use in the litigation process. There is nothing more important that you, the poker playing public can do to promote and defend the great game of poker then to help us help you in defending the great game of poker. ♥ Ensure that your poker voice is heard loud and clear! ♦ Join the fight and help protect America’s card game! ♣ Defend poker and your Constitutional rights! ♠ Poker is the great American card game it is not a crime! This is a critical time for poker. The momentum we build with our success in the New York State Courts will carry over throughout the country to all 31 states that use the “something of value” argument. We are not a large national organization with millions of dues paying members. We are regular people who believe that it is time that the “average Joe” stands up and fights for his rights. Benjamin Scheck FREE Poker Experience, LLC P. O. Box 66738 #17440, Saint Louis, Missouri 63166-6738 Phone: (631) 512-7405 Fax: (314) 754-8386 E-mail: <a href="mailto:freepokerexperience@gmail.com">freepokerexperience@gmail.com</a> mikern12 on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1050 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:00:01 +0000 mikern12 1050@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Just for your information mr you suck at poker so thats why you lose. Please critique these hand histories and tell me if this site doesn't appear rigged to you. Hand #56851295-60 at 815pmFreeUBPts-051 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 10/Sep/08 21:16:16 Jandj3839 is at seat 0 with 12255. mikern12 is at seat 1 with 18000. BFave is at seat 2 with 715. wogdawg is at seat 3 with 2890. MrFoldsAlot is at seat 4 with 22220. nlong38321 is at seat 5 with 9170. sweetsue38DD is at seat 6 with 630. avalon39 is at seat 7 with 5270. garfish1 is at seat 8 with 8825. Plansue_JR is at seat 9 with 855. The button is at seat 7. garfish1 posts the small blind of 100. Plansue_JR posts the big blind of 200. Jandj3839: -- -- mikern12: Ad Qh BFave: -- -- wogdawg: -- -- MrFoldsAlot: -- -- nlong38321: -- -- sweetsue38DD: -- -- avalon39: -- -- garfish1: -- -- Plansue_JR: -- -- Pre-flop: Jandj3839 folds. mikern12 calls. BFave folds. wogdawg calls. MrFoldsAlot folds. nlong38321 folds. sweetsue38DD folds. avalon39 folds. garfish1 raises to 1000. Plansue_JR folds. mikern12 goes all-in for 18000. wogdawg folds. garfish1 goes all-in for 8825. mikern12 is returned 9175 (uncalled). Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: mikern12 shows Ad Qh. garfish1 shows 5h Ah. Flop (board: Th Kd 2d): (no action in this round) Turn (board: Th Kd 2d Kh): (no action in this round) River (board: Th Kd 2d Kh 5c): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 has Ad Qh Th Kd Kh: a pair of kings. garfish1 has 5h Ah Kd Kh 5c: two pair, kings and fives. Hand #56851295-60 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. garfish1 wins 18050 with two pair, kings and fives. Hand #56926607-43 at 215pmFreeW-096 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 13/Sep/08 15:08:06 mikern12 is at seat 0 with 10125. ezpasss is at seat 1 with 805. jess204 is at seat 2 with 845. richardesmith is at seat 3 with 1235. olllo is at seat 4 with 26695. GamblerEQ is at seat 5 with 2555. qwizard is at seat 7 with 8670. swilli9495 is at seat 8 with 2955. imzredhead is at seat 9 with 2555. The button is at seat 1. jess204 posts the small blind of 75. richardesmith posts the big blind of 150. mikern12: Jh Js ezpasss: -- -- jess204: -- -- richardesmith: -- -- olllo: -- -- GamblerEQ: -- -- qwizard: -- -- swilli9495: -- -- imzredhead: -- -- Pre-flop: olllo folds. GamblerEQ folds. qwizard folds. swilli9495 folds. imzredhead folds. mikern12 calls. ezpasss folds. jess204 goes all-in for 845. richardesmith folds. mikern12 calls. Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: mikern12 shows Jh Js. jess204 shows 3h 3c. Flop (board: Ts Qs 8h): (no action in this round) Turn (board: Ts Qs 8h 3d): (no action in this round) River (board: Ts Qs 8h 3d 5c): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 has Jh Js Ts Qs 8h: a pair of jacks. jess204 has 3h 3c Ts Qs 3d: three threes. Hand #56926607-43 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. jess204 wins 1840 with three threes. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #56926607-38 at 215pmFreeW-096 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 13/Sep/08 15:00:40 mikern12 is at seat 0 with 13375. ezpasss is at seat 1 with 1030. jess204 is at seat 2 with 2695. richardesmith is at seat 3 with 1235. olllo is at seat 4 with 22805. GamblerEQ is at seat 5 with 2555. wingerboy_02 is at seat 6 with 2940. sportrod is at seat 7 with 0 (sitting out). swilli9495 is at seat 8 with 2840. The button is at seat 5. wingerboy_02 posts the small blind of 50. swilli9495 posts the big blind of 100. mikern12: Tc Td ezpasss: -- -- jess204: -- -- richardesmith: -- -- olllo: -- -- GamblerEQ: -- -- wingerboy_02: -- -- swilli9495: -- -- Pre-flop: mikern12 calls. ezpasss folds. jess204 calls. richardesmith folds. olllo calls. GamblerEQ folds. wingerboy_02 calls. swilli9495 checks. Flop (board: Ts 3d Ks): wingerboy_02 checks. swilli9495 checks. mikern12 bets 500. jess204 folds. olllo calls. wingerboy_02 calls. swilli9495 folds. Turn (board: Ts 3d Ks Qs): wingerboy_02 checks. mikern12 checks. olllo checks. River (board: Ts 3d Ks Qs Ad): wingerboy_02 bets 2000. mikern12 calls. olllo raises to 10000. wingerboy_02 goes all-in for 2340. mikern12 folds. olllo is returned 7660 (uncalled). Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: olllo shows Js Jh. wingerboy_02 shows Jc Qd. Showdown: olllo has Js Ts Ks Qs Ad: straight, ace high. wingerboy_02 has Jc Qd Ts Ks Ad: straight, ace high. Hand #56926607-38 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. olllo wins 4340 of a 8680 pot with straight, ace high. wingerboy_02 wins 4340 of a 8680 pot with straight, ace high. Hand #56926607-59 at 215pmFreeW-096 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 13/Sep/08 15:23:13 mikern12 is at seat 0 with 9330. ezpasss is at seat 1 with 2260. richardesmith is at seat 3 with 710. olllo is at seat 4 with 28435. GamblerEQ is at seat 5 with 8790. DAVEinGEORGIA is at seat 6 with 3825. qwizard is at seat 7 with 5335. imzredhead is at seat 9 with 2030. The button is at seat 9. mikern12 posts the small blind of 100. ezpasss posts the big blind of 200. mikern12: 7h 6h ezpasss: -- -- richardesmith: -- -- olllo: -- -- GamblerEQ: -- -- DAVEinGEORGIA: -- -- qwizard: -- -- imzredhead: -- -- Pre-flop: richardesmith folds. olllo calls. GamblerEQ calls. DAVEinGEORGIA folds. qwizard folds. imzredhead folds. mikern12 calls. ezpasss checks. Flop (board: 7c 9c 9d): mikern12 checks. ezpasss checks. olllo checks. GamblerEQ checks. Turn (board: 7c 9c 9d 9h): mikern12 bets 200. ezpasss calls. olllo calls. GamblerEQ calls. River (board: 7c 9c 9d 9h 8c): mikern12 bets 200. ezpasss goes all-in for 1860. olllo folds. GamblerEQ calls. mikern12 calls. Showdown: ezpasss shows 6s 9s. ezpasss has 9s 9c 9d 9h 8c: four nines. GamblerEQ shows Ts Tc. GamblerEQ has Ts Tc 9c 9d 9h: full house, nines full of tens. mikern12 shows 7h 6h. mikern12 has 7h 7c 9c 9d 9h: full house, nines full of sevens. Hand #56926607-59 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. ezpasss wins 7180 with four nines. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #56984061-5 at 315pmFreeBD-115 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 15/Sep/08 15:25:59 hamlinite1 is at seat 0 with 1500. zozo1983 is at seat 1 with 1650. seesandman82 is at seat 2 with 1390. lou_buddy_ is at seat 3 with 1490. mikern12 is at seat 4 with 1410. Black Horses is at seat 5 with 235. Poker Tom 11 is at seat 6 with 1480. bitsnme is at seat 7 with 970. echa77 is at seat 8 with 4395. fifa1975 is at seat 9 with 1450. The button is at seat 8. fifa1975 posts the small blind of 10. hamlinite1 posts the big blind of 20. hamlinite1: -- -- zozo1983: -- -- seesandman82: -- -- lou_buddy_: -- -- mikern12: Tc Ac Black Horses: -- -- Poker Tom 11: -- -- bitsnme: -- -- echa77: -- -- fifa1975: -- -- Pre-flop: zozo1983 calls. seesandman82 calls. lou_buddy_ folds. mikern12 goes all-in for 1410. Black Horses folds. Poker Tom 11 folds. bitsnme folds. echa77 folds. fifa1975 folds. hamlinite1 folds. zozo1983 folds. seesandman82 goes all-in for 1390. mikern12 is returned 20 (uncalled). Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: seesandman82 shows Ah 6h. mikern12 shows Tc Ac. Flop (board: 8d 6s Kh): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 8d 6s Kh 5d): (no action in this round) River (board: 8d 6s Kh 5d 9s): (no action in this round) Showdown: seesandman82 has Ah 6h 6s Kh 9s: a pair of sixes. mikern12 has Tc Ac 8d Kh 9s: ace high. Hand #56984061-5 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. seesandman82 wins 2830 with a pair of sixes. fshn4aflush is eliminated. deerhunters is eliminated. Hand #57368190-2 at 815pmFreeUBPts-426 (No Limit tournament Hold'em) Started at 29/Sep/08 20:18:37 wvmtneers is at seat 0 with 1500. rosyfly is at seat 1 with 1500. molsonthedog is at seat 2 with 1500. norabell is at seat 3 with 1500. fshn4aflush is at seat 4 with 0 (sitting out). 1bigslickdave is at seat 5 with 1495. deerhunters is at seat 6 with 0 (sitting out). ONEDUCK 1 is at seat 7 with 1500. mikern12 is at seat 8 with 4505. LetsPlayCard is at seat 9 with 1500. The button is at seat 5. ONEDUCK 1 posts the big blind of 10. wvmtneers: -- -- rosyfly: -- -- molsonthedog: -- -- norabell: -- -- 1bigslickdave: -- -- ONEDUCK 1: -- -- mikern12: 7c Kc LetsPlayCard: -- -- Pre-flop: mikern12 raises to 180. LetsPlayCard calls. wvmtneers folds. rosyfly folds. molsonthedog folds. norabell calls. 1bigslickdave folds. ONEDUCK 1 folds. Flop (board: Jc 8c Qc): mikern12 checks. LetsPlayCard bets 550. norabell folds. mikern12 goes all-in for 4325. LetsPlayCard goes all-in for 1320. mikern12 is returned 3005 (uncalled). Tournament all-in showdown -- players show: mikern12 shows 7c Kc. LetsPlayCard shows Tc Qd. Turn (board: Jc 8c Qc 8h): (no action in this round) River (board: Jc 8c Qc 8h 8s): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 has 7c Kc Jc 8c Qc: flush, king high. LetsPlayCard has Qd 8c Qc 8h 8s: full house, eights full of queens. Hand #58537975-14033 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 07:49:29 monkeyblue4 is at seat 0 with $.25. i2eye is at seat 1 with $2.95. von ebb is at seat 2 with $1.92. mikern12 is at seat 3 with $1.65. ojiichan is at seat 4 with $.66. metoad6 is at seat 5 with $.23. POT_LESS is at seat 6 with $4.84. oversanyone is at seat 7 with $.10. fzjsrc is at seat 8 with $2.34. rexleo is at seat 9 with $1.42. The button is at seat 8. rexleo posts the small blind of $.01. monkeyblue4 posts the big blind of $.02. monkeyblue4: -- -- i2eye: -- -- von ebb: -- -- mikern12: Kc Js ojiichan: -- -- metoad6: -- -- POT_LESS: -- -- oversanyone: -- -- fzjsrc: -- -- rexleo: -- -- Pre-flop: i2eye folds. von ebb folds. mikern12 calls. ojiichan folds. metoad6 folds. POT_LESS folds. oversanyone folds. fzjsrc calls. rexleo calls. monkeyblue4 checks. Flop (board: 7h 6d Kd): rexleo checks. monkeyblue4 checks. mikern12 bets $.08. fzjsrc raises to $.16. rexleo folds. monkeyblue4 folds. mikern12 re-raises to $.56. fzjsrc re-raises to $1.76. mikern12 goes all-in for $1.63. fzjsrc is returned $.13 (uncalled). Turn (board: 7h 6d Kd Td): (no action in this round) River (board: 7h 6d Kd Td Ad): (no action in this round) Showdown: fzjsrc shows Ks 2d. fzjsrc has 2d 6d Kd Td Ad: flush, ace high. mikern12 shows Kc Js. mikern12 has Kc Js Kd Td Ad: a pair of kings. Hand #58537975-14033 Summary: $.33 is raked from a pot of $3.34. fzjsrc wins $3.01 with flush, ace high. Hand #58537975-14712 Summary: $.02 is raked from a pot of $.28. jerm101010 wins $.26 with straight, ace high. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-14711 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 16:28:53 -Oort- is at seat 0 with $.20. MikeyChop is at seat 1 with $.35. mikern12 is at seat 2 with $1.05. jerm101010 is at seat 3 with $.25. Sears_Tawer is at seat 4 with $.07. pris1984 is at seat 5 with $.66. Rizooli is at seat 6 with $1.33. scooter_me is at seat 8 with $.09. mn1966 is at seat 9 with $2.19. The button is at seat 0. MikeyChop posts the small blind of $.01. mikern12 posts the big blind of $.02. -Oort-: -- -- MikeyChop: -- -- mikern12: Qc Qs jerm101010: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- pris1984: -- -- Rizooli: -- -- scooter_me: -- -- mn1966: -- -- Pre-flop: jerm101010 raises to $.04. Sears_Tawer folds. pris1984 folds. Rizooli folds. scooter_me folds. mn1966 calls. -Oort- folds. MikeyChop folds. mikern12 goes all-in for $1.05. jerm101010 goes all-in for $.25. mn1966 folds. mikern12 is returned $.80 (uncalled). Flop (board: 8s 5h 2d): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 8s 5h 2d 3d): (no action in this round) River (board: 8s 5h 2d 3d 4c): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Qc Qs. mikern12 has Qc Qs 8s 5h 4c: a pair of queens. jerm101010 shows Ad 2c. jerm101010 has Ad 2c 5h 3d 4c: straight, five high. Hand #58537975-14711 Summary: $.05 is raked from a pot of $.55. jerm101010 wins $.50 with straight, five high. Hand #58537975-14785 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 17:25:38 drwnthn is at seat 0 with $1.84. MrAl2 is at seat 1 with $.64. mikern12 is at seat 2 with $1.08. razor8 is at seat 3 with $1.28. -Oort- is at seat 4 with $.12. Littlesoxs is at seat 5 with $1.07 (sitting out). NcCrdPlayer is at seat 6 with $1.38. alatrace is at seat 7 with $1.26 (sitting out). TheWasabiDog is at seat 8 with $1.51. gunn_u2 is at seat 9 with $.10. The button is at seat 3. -Oort- posts the small blind of $.01. NcCrdPlayer posts the big blind of $.02. drwnthn: -- -- MrAl2: -- -- mikern12: Ah As razor8: -- -- -Oort-: -- -- NcCrdPlayer: -- -- TheWasabiDog: -- -- gunn_u2: -- -- Pre-flop: TheWasabiDog calls. gunn_u2 folds. drwnthn folds. MrAl2 folds. mikern12 raises to $.09. razor8 folds. -Oort- goes all-in for $.12. NcCrdPlayer folds. TheWasabiDog calls. mikern12 calls. Flop (board: 9s Qc 6d): TheWasabiDog checks. mikern12 bets $.38. TheWasabiDog folds. mikern12 is returned $.38 (uncalled). Turn (board: 9s Qc 6d Jd): (no action in this round) River (board: 9s Qc 6d Jd 7c): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Ah As. mikern12 has Ah As 9s Qc Jd: a pair of aces. -Oort- shows Js 9h. -Oort- has Js 9h 9s Qc Jd: two pair, jacks and nines. Hand #58537975-14785 Summary: $.03 is raked from a pot of $.38. -Oort- wins $.35 with two pair, jacks and nines. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #58537975-14787 at Umm Assala (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 17:27:22 drwnthn is at seat 0 with $1.84. MrAl2 is at seat 1 with $.64. mikern12 is at seat 2 with $.96. razor8 is at seat 3 with $1.28. -Oort- is at seat 4 with $.35. Littlesoxs is at seat 5 with $1.07 (sitting out). NcCrdPlayer is at seat 6 with $.97. alatrace is at seat 7 with $1.26 (sitting out). TheWasabiDog is at seat 8 with $1.71. gunn_u2 is at seat 9 with $.10 (sitting out). The button is at seat 6. TheWasabiDog posts the small blind of $.01. drwnthn posts the big blind of $.02. drwnthn: -- -- MrAl2: -- -- mikern12: Qh 8h razor8: -- -- -Oort-: -- -- NcCrdPlayer: -- -- TheWasabiDog: -- -- Pre-flop: MrAl2 calls. mikern12 calls. razor8 folds. -Oort- folds. NcCrdPlayer folds. TheWasabiDog folds. drwnthn checks. Flop (board: Qs 6s 9s): drwnthn checks. MrAl2 bets $.02. mikern12 calls. drwnthn folds. Turn (board: Qs 6s 9s 9h): MrAl2 checks. mikern12 checks. River (board: Qs 6s 9s 9h Jd): MrAl2 bets $.04. mikern12 calls. Showdown: MrAl2 shows Ks Td. MrAl2 has Ks Td Qs 9s Jd: straight, king high. mikern12 mucks cards. (mikern12 has Qh 8h.) Hand #58537975-14787 Summary: $.01 is raked from a pot of $.19. MrAl2 wins $.18 with straight, king high. Hand #58502964-3136 at Stamford (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 17:38:45 gxs is at seat 0 with $.88. JNBilodeau is at seat 1 with $5.17. storm0813 is at seat 2 with $.84. mn1966 is at seat 3 with $.50. ponkacash is at seat 4 with $1.61. fets63 is at seat 5 with $.96. mikern12 is at seat 6 with $.46. drwnthn is at seat 7 with $1.94. TheIrishRob is at seat 8 with $1.05. JettRivington is at seat 9 with $3.74. The button is at seat 6. drwnthn posts the small blind of $.01. TheIrishRob posts the big blind of $.02. gxs: -- -- JNBilodeau: -- -- storm0813: -- -- mn1966: -- -- ponkacash: -- -- fets63: -- -- mikern12: Qc Ac drwnthn: -- -- TheIrishRob: -- -- JettRivington: -- -- Pre-flop: JettRivington calls. gxs folds. JNBilodeau calls. storm0813 folds. mn1966 goes all-in for $.50. ponkacash folds. fets63 folds. mikern12 goes all-in for $.46. drwnthn folds. TheIrishRob folds. JettRivington folds. JNBilodeau folds. mn1966 is returned $.04 (uncalled). Flop (board: 5h Qd 9h): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 5h Qd 9h 4d): (no action in this round) River (board: 5h Qd 9h 4d 5c): (no action in this round) Showdown: mn1966 shows 5s Ts. mn1966 has 5s Ts 5h Qd 5c: three fives. mikern12 shows Qc Ac. mikern12 has Qc Ac 5h Qd 5c: two pair, queens and fives. Hand #58502964-3136 Summary: $.09 is raked from a pot of $.99. mn1966 wins $.90 with three fives. Hand #58502964-3161 at Stamford (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 18:00:31 Hajtek is at seat 0 with $.34. JNBilodeau is at seat 1 with $4.48. blackzilla15 is at seat 3 with $.22 (sitting out). ponkacash is at seat 4 with $3.34. fets63 is at seat 5 with $1.47. mikern12 is at seat 6 with $.53. drwnthn is at seat 7 with $1.96. Templar9 is at seat 8 with $.48. JettRivington is at seat 9 with $3.62. The button is at seat 3. ponkacash posts the small blind of $.01. fets63 posts the big blind of $.02. Hajtek: -- -- JNBilodeau: -- -- ponkacash: -- -- fets63: -- -- mikern12: Ah Qd drwnthn: -- -- Templar9: -- -- JettRivington: -- -- Pre-flop: mikern12 raises to $.07. drwnthn folds. Templar9 calls. JettRivington folds. Hajtek folds. JNBilodeau calls. ponkacash folds. fets63 folds. Flop (board: Kc Ac Js): mikern12 goes all-in for $.46. Templar9 goes all-in for $.41. JNBilodeau folds. mikern12 is returned $.05 (uncalled). Turn (board: Kc Ac Js Jc): (no action in this round) River (board: Kc Ac Js Jc 8h): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows Ah Qd. mikern12 has Ah Kc Ac Js Jc: two pair, aces and jacks. Templar9 shows Jh Kh. Templar9 has Jh Kh Kc Js Jc: full house, jacks full of kings. Hand #58502964-3161 Summary: $.10 is raked from a pot of $1.06. Templar9 wins $.96 with full house, jacks full of kings Hand #58502925-10867 at Jenison (No Limit Hold'em) Started at 20/Nov/08 18:32:51 gunn_u2 is at seat 0 with $.22. Ithilir is at seat 1 with $4.35. druknmstr is at seat 2 with $1.59. vincation is at seat 3 with $3.13. Yossarian77 is at seat 4 with $2. Sears_Tawer is at seat 5 with $.40. TMTTPT22 is at seat 6 with $.89. mgperun is at seat 7 with $1.48. mikern12 is at seat 8 with $2.20. Earl Bender is at seat 9 with $.42. The button is at seat 8. Earl Bender posts the small blind of $.01. gunn_u2 posts the big blind of $.02. gunn_u2: -- -- Ithilir: -- -- druknmstr: -- -- vincation: -- -- Sears_Tawer: -- -- TMTTPT22: -- -- mgperun: -- -- mikern12: As Kh Earl Bender: -- -- Pre-flop: Ithilir calls. druknmstr folds. vincation folds. Sears_Tawer folds. TMTTPT22 calls. mgperun folds. mikern12 raises to $.11. Earl Bender folds. gunn_u2 folds. Ithilir calls. TMTTPT22 re-raises to $.47. mikern12 goes all-in for $2.20. Ithilir folds. TMTTPT22 goes all-in for $.89. mikern12 is returned $1.31 (uncalled). Flop (board: 6h 8c 9h): (no action in this round) Turn (board: 6h 8c 9h 3d): (no action in this round) River (board: 6h 8c 9h 3d Jh): (no action in this round) Showdown: mikern12 shows As Kh. mikern12 has As Kh 8c 9h Jh: ace high. TMTTPT22 shows 3h 5c. TMTTPT22 has 3h 8c 9h 3d Jh: a pair of threes. Hand #58502925-10867 Summary: So this is getting really stupid. Yea right not rigged. I have tens of thousands of these hands on my cpu. I only play premium hands unless in blinds or dealer. I get sucked out on in every big pot I play never winning one of them. And constantly lose. Please critique and tell me that this site isn't rigged. If you want all 50,000 hands to analyze please please please do so as I am sure you will be impressed. playpttt on "illegal?" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/337#post-1049 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:12:02 +0000 playpttt 1049@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Hello, I work at a pool room/bar in Colorado and a couple of weeks ago these guys wanted to use some chips so they could play cards. So, I gave them some chips that we use for the free poker tournament. I didn't ask if the where going to be playing for anything. They played heads up and one of the men ended up losing $500 to the other guy. The guy that lost calls the cops but nothing was done about it. A week later we get raided by the gaming police. They say that we could be charged with a felony. They search the whole bar and we are going to be put on a watch list and get searched randomly and they are going to send in under covers. I thought that people where allowed to gamble amongst themselves if the house was not taking a rake or tips? villaridge on "My e-mail response from Sen. Diane Feinstein" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/333#post-1048 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:57:10 +0000 villaridge 1048@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ All I got from my emails to Kansas senators and reps was blather, yada yada, thanks for the email, and a summary of their activies on other issues. Jeeeez haystack10 on "Obama turn back the UIGEA" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/323#post-1047 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:05:11 +0000 haystack10 1047@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ i am writing him i have wrote to all my reps and senetors i hope they listen derringer007 on "My e-mail response from Sen. Diane Feinstein" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/333#post-1046 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:00 +0000 derringer007 1046@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I received a response from Pete Stark, The lowest of the four e-mails i sent. Your right (MalibuSky) that is a response. The response received was similar to yours from Sen. Feinstein Which i view as Total blow-off. I will not stop sending e-mails. Maybe if i send enough they will start to see the light. And then i woke up. lol imger8 on "Pay Out Delay Outrage" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/263#post-1045 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:54:00 +0000 imger8 1045@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ To Whom It May Concern: It has been five days (more than 48 hours) and I have yet to receive the deposits or a response from yourselves. It has now been 5 months since the original requests were made. Can you please have a "supervisor" look into this matter and respond accordingly. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. FYI - This e-mail will be posted on the Poker Player Alliance web page forum and I will continue to post until I receive payment. The following is an e-mail I received on 11/15/08: Reference number: LTK116XXXXXXXXX Please use this ticket number in any correspondence in relation to this matter. Dear Xxxx, Thank you for contacting us. Apologies, both of your withdrawals ($400 & $340) were sent to your Debit Card on 10/28. You should really have them by now. I have sent a request that this be looked into, you should hear back by email in the next 24-48 hours. We apologize for the delay in this matter. We are always here to help you. Please feel free to reply to this email if you have any additional questions in relation to this or any other matter. Kind regards, Paul Townsend bigboy21 on "PA is a joke" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/336#post-1044 Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:42:58 +0000 bigboy21 1044@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Look everyone, your crazy if you think that these politicans actually give a shit about your issues. They care about there pockets. on-line gaming and legal home poker tournaments arent fattining their pockets. in my opinion here's what need to happen, someone just open up a real deal poker room(not no bullshit fire hall game run by idiots). Now it does state in pa law illegal gambling that it does exclude playing cards from illegal gambling. Thats all it states about playing cards, since they laws are so gray then challange it. pauliewaulie on "WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION NOW!!" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/329#post-1043 Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:56:58 +0000 pauliewaulie 1043@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ To Flinstone Pip and any other person who solely makes their money from gambling and foolishly belives they contribute to society. Are you really that short sighted to say you being out of a "job" would hurt this economy? Where do you suppose the money comes from to fund people's accounts to play poker in the first place? Without real jobs supplying the poker community with money, you would be raked out of existence. Without that constant influx of money, you and all of your other jobless online "friends" would be forced to move from this country (a good thing) or forced to get off your fat arse and get a real job that does help this economy (another good thing.) Please read this very carefully; YOU DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR THIS COUNTRY. On top of that, you actually HURT this country because you play online versus a casino. Casino's in this country either gift money or are forced to give money to the Fed. When have you ever heard of Pokerstars or Full tilt sending money to your government? Not to mention the fact surely many of you online players don't fully disclose your winnings so that you have to pay less in taxes. Another way you're hurting this country. You may have read this far and assume I'm against online poker but I'm not. I'm against idiots who suck this country for all they can and then cry when it gets a little tougher for them. Mikern12 has a very good point and he gets backlashed for it. Although we all love poker and we SHOULD DEFEND IT, if we worried/fought this hard for other issues that are MUCH MORE important, can you imagine how truly great this country could be? Poker should be defended because it is a fabulous game and it is or should be our right in this country of freedom to play it when we want. But if you think I'm gonna write to my Senator so that you lazy mofo's can continue to sit on your arse's while the rest of us go out and work real jobs that help real people and contribute to a real society, you're in for the worst beat of your life. Sincerely, pauliewaulie kidkvno1 on "Obama turn back the UIGEA" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/323#post-1042 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:45:14 +0000 kidkvno1 1042@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ I hope he won't let us down. Thanks kidkvno1 on "Response from Senator Casey" http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/topic/335#post-1041 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 03:43:48 +0000 kidkvno1 1041@http://pokerplayersalliance.org/forums/ Dear Mr. Zack: Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (UIGEA). I appreciate hearing from all Pennsylvanians about the issues that matter most to them. UIGEA cuts off revenue streams to unlawful Internet gambling businesses. It prohibits the receipt of checks, credit card charges and electronic funds transfers by such businesses. Banks, credit card issuers and other payment system participants have been enlisted to help cut off these revenue streams. Currently there are a number of bills in the House of Representatives which deal with the regulation of Internet gambling. These bills would help better define some of the ambiguities found in the UIGEA. H.R. 5767 would place a moratorium on UIGEA. H.R. 2610, the Skill Game Protection Act, would exempt poker and other games of skill from federal prohibition. H.R. 2046, the Internet Gambling and Regulation Enforcement Act, would regulate Internet gambling. H.R. 2607, the Internet Gambling